angry woman!

i was quite appalled today.

why?

because i went to drop my children of at the local nursery. There was some kind of stall that was giving away little nicki-nacky kids things so i had a look.

a lady confronts me, and gives me a questionaire, basically asking if i was suffering from, or, if i knew anyone who was suffering from domestic violence.

its appalling, my partner knows the people at this nursery and he drops them of as often as i do. Yet, while he's not there, like the true cowards they are, they ask me in so many words, if he is guilty of beating me up. You know, i have standards, and this was disgusting.

who the hell do these people think they are? seriously, who are they? they think they know better than my own relationship with my husband? how dare they try and stick their nose in MY relationship!

all around were posters saying 'does he make you feel small?' - isn't domestic violence a unisex subject? aparently not. I normally ignore this kind of thing, but you could replace the he with blacks, whites, and suddenly it would become wrong wouldn't it? I can see that. Im not an airheaded sheep.

you know what, this is a sure start, state run nursery, its a kids place. They are encouraging women to snitch on their unsuspecting husbands. I have to say im horrified by it. Im starting to worry about what other propanganda they are trying to put in my kids heads..

i feel like the sad truth is, that these people rarely find anyone who is actually suffering from domestic violence, they just construct witch-hunts against innocent and decent caring men who can't control themselves socially very well. I've seen how men act, in situations like this. They cower away in the corner.

enough is enough. I've always said i would stand up for decent family men, and i am absolutely disgusted by this.

you know, i think domestic violence is appalling, but i also think that air headed people trying to destroy family relationships at a local nursery, is just as appalling. There was another man there, he often drops of his kids. Nobody gave him anything, nobody gave him any information, or nicky-nacks. He was isolated, left alone. I felt sorry for him, but i felt more angry at the way these people thought that i was more interested in them, than in my husband.. that i would snitch on him, for their cause?

the only question is, what do i do about it? how do i support my man in such a hostile situation?

and how do men cope with this kind of situation, and why dont they start standing up for themselves? perhaps i was wrong about machoman. Im starting to like him.

or maybe they deserve it for letting things get into this state..

wow i really am going from one extreme to another!

im a roller coaster

feminism, bouvet island, the outback and poor little penguins!

i've become really interested in geography lately, there is so much in the world that i dont know about. We downloaded google earth, isnt that amazing! you can even see our little terraced red brick house on it!

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anyway, a friend of mine, K., just got back from australia and she says that she wants to drive across the continent, apparently there is a road right through the middle..

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so, i got on google earth, found the road and did the journey myself! it only took five minutes though..

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isn't australia a strange place, its like 1000's of miles of orange sand, with some bushes, and then this lonely little road going all the way through the middle.

it got me thinking, how lonely some places in the world are. Apparently the most remote island in the world is called bouvet island. I guess its pronounced in a french way, like "boo-vey"? Its like an iceberg with an anchor!!

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apparently, its so far away that the nearest place is antarctica and that has no people living there either? There is a thread now about it in my forum:

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http://luciavega.proboards101.com/index.cgi?board=geography&action=display&thread=1192634786

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anyway, this is my solution to the gender problem.

get all the MRA's and radical feminists, put them in a big wooden pirate ship and make them row all the way to bouvet island, and then make them stay there for ever and ever and ever!! Maybe they will evolve into penguins!!?

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i bet they'd end up having sex with each other!! hypocrites eh?

love from fruit cake

i left a mens rights forum behind me a week or so ago. I went in there thinking i was mad, like i was a fruit cake. I came out thinking i was normal and they were the fruit cakes..

so i've lifted off the sea and took to the skies!

I never went back there but after talking to D, who i've grown really friendly with from the forum, i went back there and did a search on the thing he said as i enjoy reading his comments. I was amazed to find that there was lots of posts refering to me and even a thread written about me there, this is the link..

http://antimisandry.com/lucia_vega-t7244.html?t=7244

aparently i have the moral depth of a pool of urine! no idea what that means. I dont really understand his post, but hey.. any publicity is good publicity!

everyone at that place always called me thick, stupid, un-intellegent and a feminist... later on ugly and a transvestite, but anyway..

if im so stupid and everything, why are you writing a thread about me? I think people there hated me so much because i represented an opinion that they had not thought about properly.

Still, there you go.

the thing is, that they go on about how awful women are, and that we are emotional and blah de blah blah, but, i did want to help them during my time there. I think they are going to miss me, im happy they haven't forgotten me. Im like the girl that took their virginity away from them. You never forget the first one...

one day some of them will think about me, and suddenly understand what i was saying. Others will forget about me just like you forget about picking up the mail when it comes through the door in the morning.

I suppose, in a funny way, i'll miss them too and i did learn somethings about myself. Thanks guys, for making me feel normal again..

lifes pretty short isn't it.

love fruit cake.

oh yeah and ps. i have a message board now so if you want to continue to slag me off, or you need to talk to someone who cares.. then the address is..

http://luciavega.proboards101.com/index.cgi

my last post on the mens movement.

this is supposed to be my final post on the freak show....oops i mean the mens movement. I feel like its time to move on to find something else to interest me..

i've been involved in two forums, and the truth is, i don't feel like i've come across more than 2 or 3 people who are involved in productive relationships with the opposite sex. The people involved in these forums are mostly life's losers and they want revenge. Just like the radical feminists before them, some may eventually move on, others, are intent on destruction. All are unhappy and all hate women.

its quite interesting to look at the contradictions within their stories..

when i went out on sunday with A. and my daughters to the local festival, all i saw were families, dads and mums, kids playing. Its all normal isn't it. We are normal aren't we..

Then, when i go to work, i teach lots of men languages, and they smile, take part and generally enjoy themselves, and yet..

when i enter in a mens rights forum, all i hear is sob stories about how they've been abused by this that or the other. How hard they have it, how awful women are. All i hear are insults, aggression and nastyness towards me.

men in reality like me, men in mens rights forums hate me. Interesting isn't it, how desperate people, normally have to drag others down to their level.

you know, whenever i go down to the local supermarket, i see well dressed, handsome young men, and yet..

when i enter in a mens rights forum all i hear are men who probably don't brush their teeth or cant even wipe their bum properly. Its not womens fault you are ugly and you stink. (of course there is one exception, i hope he knows who he is, his name begins with D and...)

most women want to have loving relationships with people who understand us, not with people who cannot tolerate us. Thats why these men are all alone, intolerance. They are intolerant of women, and they use 'male rights' as an excuse to put forward their real agenda...

why is it, that if i am so clever, and so brilliant, why does nobody love me? Why am i alone and yet all these entitlement fruit cake princess women are not.

yes thats the question you have to ask yourself macho man, and the answer is pretty simple.. its because you are thick, and intolerant, and you are not a woman and you are not capable of understanding a woman. You cannot understand love, you can only understand dominance. You define reality through agression, not through caring. You are a loser and feminism destroyed you 50 years ago.

your only understanding of relationships is one of break down and pain. If i was married to one of you, i would escape with my children too..

yes, its your male ego, not women, that has destroyed any chance you have of happiness. Well, tough shit. I don't care anymore. You're the losers, and im bored of you.

and always remember..

for every screw up in the mens movement, there are 50 involved in normal productive relationships with western women. I, just like most women i know, believe in the majority of men, not the extremist freaks like you..

and before you tell me about how some women are involved in the mens movement, just to add..

for every screw up woman in the mens movement, there are 500,000,000 who are happily getting on with their lives thanks to feminism and the women who put themselves on the line for us in the past. we are normality, and you are..well.. freaks?

i feel like its time to finish here. Its upto you, men, you either listen to women, like me, who are the majority in reality, but the small minority in your world, and move on and maybe learn something new..

or you listen to macho man, at home in his anonymous forum. Laugh with him while he insults women, but become afraid to show your face, an outcast in reality. While he consumes your soul bit by bit you will end up like him, bitter, lost and lonely. You'll even say you don't believe in relationships anymore.

its upto you but im bored and its time for me to move on.

children, jungles, wierdos and transvestites

dear diary,

im going to write about the way i feel tonight. Its been a nice day. We went to the local jungle gym (always good because you can just chat while your kids have fun) and i always like those places, with mothers and their children. The occasional awkward, yet, friendly looking father.

its so nice to feel normal sometimes, to feel like you're just like everyone else. Just another family with their children, trying to make sure that the children get the most out of their day. Of course, whilst also having to manage your own tiredness.. after all, its not good lying down on the couch when you get back, you have to get them to bed don't you!?

Tommorow im back on my own again, more work, but more attention from my daughters.. great!

anyway, what i really want to talk about is that im not sure how i feel about things right at this point in time. I've been arguing on an internet forum lately, and stubborn as i always have been, sooner or later, the weaker people, the mixed up and confused ones, always turn on me. What it is that i do, i don't know, nor do i care, but its an interesting sociological carachteristic.

what i want to talk about is how far i have come to understand the male rights movement in my time involved in it. I started out a few months ago, and now it feels like a lifetime later, i know alot more about it.

I've learned that the male rights movement, just like practically every other social movement, is a group of damaged individuals who unite against what they percieve as a common enemy, lately, me, but generally feminism, or to be honest, women.

The degree of damage varies. Some of them are just ordinary blokes, who've probably been involved in the wrong relationship, once or a few times. They feel upset, and hurt, and alone in their feelings. I think that they genuinely try and not blame all women for what has happend to them, but often fail, which i suppose, is human isn't it.

Underneath, i tend to like this type of person, and i feel that with just a little guidance in the right direction, they will be able to leave the hatred and bad feeling that is central to the male rights movement (MRM from now on) behind them. I don't really know how to help them, but i can try and i've always hoped that they will prove to me that what i beleive, that men do care, is true.

However, likewise to all movements of people, they are mixed up with, should i say 'infiltrated' by much more damaged people. People who were either born bad, or developed it pretty quickly. Men within the MRM who are like this, and men in general too, are normally fairly easy to spot. They have no ability to relate to the ordinary. Their entire world is based on abstract ideas of what they believe their enemy (me and, ultimately women) to be. They are scary people because they do not feel anything anymore. I've talked about franco and his lack of feeling, these are the same.

I suppose in evolutionary terms, they serve a purpose, what that is? don't know.. don't care.

the thing that worries me, is that they will lead astray the ordinary man, and fill him with their hatred, malice and agression. They are bad seeds, born with evil inside them.. they are the bullies at school, and they continue bullying throughout their life. They don't bully with their fists, they bully with their nose. They look down it. Nobody stands up to them. I got bullied badly at school, and i will never ever back down again to people who think do not have genuine intentions. I will say it to their face, and i will say it again and again and again. Im a stubborn old goat, and i can see them coming a mile away.

why do they hate us, women, so much? more importantly, why do they hate ordinary people so that they have to live in the abstract. They have to live in a world of ideas, and theories. I live in a world, of dirty nappies, smiles, tears and cuddles. Im happy, despite all my insecurities, fears and worries... I suspect, that they aren't.

one in particular really tried to have a go at me. Im pretty perceptive, and i suspected this one was a bit strange right from the beggining. He called me ugly and later, a transvestite, as if this part was somehow worse than the first. Well, i wish i was a transvestite, then i wouldn't have to worry about all the female insecurities that i have to face day in day out. I could just go whoosh! and they would all disapear and i could put on a football kit and have a game down pub with the lads. I bloody wish he was right.

Ugly? well, i've been called every name under the sun in my time, ugly isn't a frequent one. Its funny how people who daren't show their face, call other people names isn't it. Ugly? i suspect he's projecting himself outwardly. Im not scared of showing my face, i like it, i've always liked the way i look. I like the way other people look, when i think they are caring.

anyway, what most people call me, when they are being nasty to me, is crazy, or fruit cake. My parents call me selfish. Its funny, how different people can percieve the same person isnt it. Still, im not complaining, i reckon i look pretty dam good for my age, im not fat, im certainly not ugly, im married to someone that i think is god, and i have the most beautiful intellegent children i've ever seen (i would say that wouldn't i!). Every good parent thinks that, im sure.

anyone who has found happiness, and companionship. anyone who has had children can understand what i am talking about. The people that live in the abstract.. well, let them get on with it, they can take their abstract and give it a cuddle when nobody comes to bed with them. when they feel alone they can feel proud of how intellegent they are. They can talk about their theories to the empty seat at the dinner table. When they feel like they are good looking they can look in the mirror and remind themselves of it. Nobody else cares, nobody else is around to care.

anyway, i continue to learn more about this movement, one day i suppose i will write a book on it. I'll stick my ugly transvestite picture on the back!

im sure it'll sell 1000 times better!

june evenings and womens football teams...

on monday, i was teaching a spanish class.

somebody found a pink cloudy my little pony or something like that, pen on the the floor.
someone offered it to the only male student in the class! he says... it cant be MINE can it!!

so why cant it be yours? what is it about the male social role that means they will not let themselves show a certain aspect of their personality. Poor C. i hope he doesnt mind me using him as an example?

i've been thinking about aspects of being female, where can i do things, where can i not? i think the most difficult thing about being a woman, is it is generally less acceptable to be scruffy. when you get a guy who walks into class wearing the same clothes that probably havent been washed in 5 months, nobody notices, or they just say.. he's just a young man. If i did it, i think it would signify some kind of sexual disfunction?

what else? well.. going out for a walk on your own past 6pm, people start wondering what you are doing. i have a river near to me, so when my partner is back from work it means i can escape for 15 minutes from my house. its june, its light, and the evenings are wonderful arent they? i love walking but im starting to realise that it makes me feel a bit uneasy these days. i'm not really sure what im saying here?

i suppose if someone found a football on the floor and they gave it to me, i'd probably be like.. er.. why are you giving it to me! (even though i love football). i suppose when that happens, i'm scared of the way other people view my sexual and gender identity? maybe thats what it is. I think everyone has male and female inside them are they are terrified to express it because nobody else does..

if a man picks up a pink pen, it must mean his is gay, wierd? maybe even a paedophile.

my god isnt this world bloody crazy.

no i mean it, this world is totally and completely round the bend..

actually i think that because he makes an issue of the pen being pink it does show some kind of conflict within him. Its like, i want to pick up this pen, but, there is NO WAY im doing it! im a man and men arent allowed to write with pink pens?

i've talked about the male role being very squeezed up, just like a lemon thats been used to make lemon juice

i think these days, women are like the lemon juice and men are the squeezed up remains. You cant have one without the other, but the circumstances are very different.

the question has to be for men, how can they change that around, how can they make it so it doesn't threaten their entire existence if they pick up a pink pen?

i've talked alot about this with men, both in reality and in the internet, and im torn between two arguments, one that says im right, and men need to get over these little fears they have.. and others who say, men dont want to become like women!! men want to go their own way.

i dont know what this means at all. im not sure they know what it means either? i hope they do, but i doubt it.

besides, how is using a pink pen becoming like a woman?? my god, they really do not understand at all do they? a pink pen, is something that might have made a young kid, probably a girl, smile sometime 5 years ago. lets get a bit of perspective here!!!

anyway, while i was out walking yesterday, there was a group of women footballers practising. the coach (a man, as per usual) kept looking at me.. im 5'9" and i can do 100 kick ups with a football.. he must have thought, hmm, is this a member of my team turning up late?

no, im not in a womans football team, and although i like football, something i saw in asda the other day really put me of it totally..

a womens team was collecting for a new strip. it was white and blue stripes with white socks. they were offering to do the packing in return for a small contribution, to be made in a bucket.

on the bucket it read.... 'the future of football is female...'

i didnt make a contribution, and thankfully the guy collecting (mangina) didnt bother asking me. I am a woman, but you know what, women are CRAP at football. Im about as good as it gets and compared to any bloke down the street im rubbish. I went through a phase in my mid teens where i thought that i was as physically able as a man. I thought i could objectify my feelings like them, but.. a few arm wrestles and a couple of games of table football later, and i had changed my mind...

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I can get bitter about things the other sex does better than me. but, thank god i came to that

conclusion as soon as i did. I learned to apreciate them instead of trying to be like them. Although deep down we're all the same aren't we?? what contradictions i live with inside myself.

oh well....

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so, anyway, the future of football is definately not female, and if it is, then football has no future. I love watching the way the men move around, how they drive and move the football around the pitch, the passion, the commitment that they show. I love the passion of it all, its something that feminism is scared of. well it doesnt scare me.. its brill. i love it.

womens football? balls of fat running around with a pony tail wiggling at the back? you cant tell which one is the ball and which one is the player can you? so....thanks, but no thanks. Dont try and tempt me into something that im not good at.

anyway, what does this mean? well, it occured to me just how deep routed the feminist agenda is in our minds.

A man collecting for a womans football team, with a bucket saying the future of football is female!...and, in a national supermarket chain

if they had asked me for a contribution, i would have said, 'i would have contributed, but i prefer watching men play, and as they have no future, why contribute!!!' or is that one of those thing i wished i had said, when really i'd not have said anything? who knows. as a woman though i think i have a responsibility to point these things out. The situation men are in is that they cannot even stand up forthemselves anymore. maybe if i start the ball rolling??

my god and people call me a feminist. that really gets on my nerves. I am not a feminist, feminists believe in women, MRA's believe in men. Lucia Vega believes in lucia vega and a hand full of men and women that i met in my life, on the internet and in my family. They tend to be left handed, but not always. I always like left handed people. They are normally a bit wierd, like me. But the really wierd ones are left handed and right footed, or right handed and left footed.

watch out for them!!!! im left handed and left footed. but i use scissors with my right hand.

so, dont get me wrong, some men do have a hell of a lot to learn from some women too. something the mens movement has not even tried to address. the mens movement certainly does not want the gaping differences between some men pointing out. they hate me when i do it..

oh yeah and has anyone noticed just how enormous the new generation of young men are.. i was in the park yesterday, and there were a group of them lying in the sun, and throwing a football around. they were enormous, big shoulders tanned in the sun, all of them at least 6 foot 2.

well at least they are getting fed properly, so its not all bad men, is it? somebody is looking after you somewhere....

why do young men withdraw from society?

why do young men withdraw from society?

what a difficult question to answer right??

well im not pretending to be up-to-date on the ins and outs of this question but i can give my own viewpoint from what i can see. I told myself long ago at university that i would never close down my creative thought just because i did not have facts to back it up. It is a recipe for disaster. Human nature and facts, dont mix very well.

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why do men withdraw?

well, to know completely you would have to interview every single one of them, impossible right? yes.. and even if you could, how do you know they are telling the truth? you don't.

so its left to people to theorise isnt it.

i think young men withdraw from society because its been stolen from them. Where these days can a young man express himself?

football? no, women's footballs on the increase isnt it? and its only an elite that perform on tele anyway.

the bar situation. something MRA's never understand about women, is that they only ever notice the ones that catch their eye.

when i was a teenager, like most of my friends, we used to go to the bar, stand around, getting drunk and hope and pray that some guy somewhere would come upto us and start some sort of interaction. It rarely happend, neither to me, or to my friends. The attention always goes to the ones that catch the eye. you know what? ALL the men focus on them, so they are on a hiding to nothing right? only a very small amount of men ever manage to catch this type of women, and it usually ends in tears.

the rest spend their time fighting with the others, and inventing some bravado story about what a man they are, when the truth is, that someone else got the girl. Young men need to recognise this. they need to reinvent what it is to be a failure as a man. You are not a failure, you just dont use your head enough...

i think lots of men grow out of this type of behaviour as they enter their twenties, but rejection by the alpha female, is not constructive is it? so. one reason.

why else might they withdraw? well, they are failing at schools arent they? or, at least, they are being beaten by girls. Im not a woman who will stand here and say girls are equally intellegent as men. In my experience men have a high intellectual level that seldom touches reality. They need the right woman to guide them along the right path, but when that happens they become unstoppable..

well, schools are no longer set up for boys. Read a spanish textbook? its full of pretty pictures, smiling faces.. and to be frank, its crap. To learn a language you need rigid grammar and blank boring exercises. I know this, and obviously feminising everything just turns boys (and to be honest, alot of girls) off. Smiling faces in a spanish book appeals to the lowest common denominator. Boys need to see language in action, they need to feel how it works, not sit in a boring class surrounded by silent and boring girls.

if i was a secondary teacher, i'd make them play football using spanish terms...

'dame el balon!'
'chuta, joder!'
'despeja, cabron!'

thats how some men learn better isnt it? i dont know. not all of them i suppose.

popular culture? well yeah, i watched TV last night and when the ads came on i counted how many adverts where 'gynocentric' (focused on women), at least 50% of them had a female carachter playing the main part. The others didnt really count as being gender based..

granted, i was watching desperate housewives, so its not going to be representative.. perhaps during the big match between man u and chelsea, the adverts are mostly male orientated. i dont know, i'll have to count.

but this isnt good for women either? it just makes us into empty vessels filled with unwanted needs that we can never fulfill.. so we look to men to fill this void created by advertising, and when they cannot, we blame them, and we try to change them until they fill our new found desires. So, nobody wins. The truth is, if it were upto me, i'd shoot the whole lot of advertising companies. Good job its not upto me i suppose..

anyway, what that means, is that men have no role at all in society, and women just consume. again, nobody wins.

however, its not all the fault of women. How many young men do i see when i go to the park with my daughters? not many.

men do not interact with children enough. i cant stress this enough. The male role i suppose does not encompass enough legroom to allow them to smile and enjoy childish games. Most women love being with children because it enables them to be a child again. I think men see this as not part of their role. Its no wonder they dont smile very much.

anyway, is it really true, are men withdrawing from society??

well, suicide levels are clearly very high amongst men. so that would suggest they are, but if you look at all the positions of political power they are almost always occupied by men, white men, normally. Hardly a sign of withdrawal?

no, what i think has happend, is that a 'cliche' or 'elite' of men has taken control of the world, and they dont want anyone else to join their gang. Women have never been allowed into power until now really, but what feminism missed, is that NEITHER were 90% of men.

this is were men and woman have to see our common goal. We are both oppressed by a overpowering class of people. Not just women, not just men. Please, i hope that one day, the MRA's and the feminist, will see their common interests.

i dont know the solution, but first you have to identify the problem.

feminism has also developed in a similar way, we are left with a 'cliche' of women, normally rabid man haters, who dont want anyone to join their club. At least, anyone who disagrees with them.

I dont see any future for women in following feminism at all. Eventually we will end up with the same situation we have now, accept with that cliche of women in charge. The ordinary woman on the street is no nearer to power than she was before.

i see young men walking around, waddling their shoulders, wearing their baggy trousers and oversized jumpers. Their jeans are so low down that i wonder how they stay up. have they withdrawn from society? more and more of them these days carry guns. Only a few months ago a young 17 year old was blown away not more than 1/2 mile away from me. Im scared, it terrifies me that these crazy mindless adolescents have the power to destroy everything that i have built in my life, and my children, for nothing other than a testosterone impulse.

i suppose im lucky, they look at me and dont see a threat. How could i be threatening to them? i wierdo woman walking down the street with a buggy and two small kids?

well, that 17 year old wasnt so lucky. Young men must be terrified to walk around these days. Each one of them so wants to prove what a man they are, and they now increasingly have the power to destroy. is this a sign of withdrawal? yes, they feel so desperate inside themselves that they have no value for either their own life, or that of someone else.

what has happend to them to become like this? what is missing from mens lives that they hate life so much?

why are they not taking part and instead killing themselves and each other?

i can't answer this question alone, i can only speculate and i think i do it badly alot of the time. I'm well aware of that having visited enough MRA websites and been called every name under the sun.

so, im a feminist am i? well.. listen to this..

rape is a primary destroyer of masculinity. I suppose most men, if they were allowed would go around raping, or at least, trying to have sex with as many women as possible.

rape, yes its a law that represses masculinity isnt it? perhaps they would all feel better if they could get the sexual release they strive for so much.

well.. i think the first step to sorting out the problem with men, is legalising prostitution. If they want to fuck, let them.. they have to pay for it and its not a problem, some women enjoy it. I've no idea how they can enjoy it, but they do. Good for them.

i think the reason it's illegal, is it maintains the ordinary man from thinking about moving up in the world. he is too bothered about getting rid of his sexual needs, and will do anything to get a release that is missing, blow people away, slit his wrists, screw up his school work. Anything.

so, thats the first step. after that, its upto men to decide, i cant help them.

material girls, make up and the human condition.

every now and again i come across a blog that makes me stand back and think, wow, you're interesting.

i found one today. im not going to put the link on my website because the last time i did that they didnt like it. but anyway i think this guy is impressive in his own masculine way:

http://truthformen.blogspot.com/

he talks about things that i've thought about myself. Madonna and her song, material girl. What is she talking about? he thinks she's talking about women, whereas, i know, that she is talking about herself.

Neneh Cherry is another one from that generation. Kisses on the wind. Manchild. She talks about men and how they should treat her. Perhaps though, she was a more caring person than madonna.

http://truthformen.blogspot.com/2007/04/what-makeup-reveals-about-character-of.html

i have no idea how he finds his information on make up. i'd like to know. i would also like to know, if he is aware, that he could be VERY wrong too? Its a very risky thing to do, judge people on the way they look. But, he's right. they ask for it dont they?? dont they??

im a woman who refuses to wear make up, apart from the occasional time that i feel my eyes need a bit of lightining up, hence a little bit of white eye enhancer. Having two kids, i can look like a tired old hag otherwise. but, hey i can laugh about it. I dont wear it, because it makes me feel self conscious, like im trying to portray something about myself, which i dont like to do. I try so hard to make my ideas my personality, not my appearance.

what about men and the way they look?

heres three of Lucia Vega's own stereotyped ideas, after all, all's fair in love and war right?

men with complete hairlines past the age of 25. NEVER trust them. In fact, i only ever trust men who have experience some degree of male pattern baldness.

men who part their hair at the side, are either gay, or repressed bisexuals. dont get involved.

men with long hair in a pony tail and a long trench coat. have small penises, as do men who are involved in driving around cars at speed. They try and compensate for their insecurity.

so, now we've past the stereotypes.

lets get down to the truth.

men these days are interacting with groups of young women who have no idea of what feminism was about, or why it was introduced. They only know, that whenever they have a problem, it can be blamed on men. They fear men, they fear the authority that men represent. They try and attack it in the only way they know. Their totally screwed up sexuality. Make up? theres more to it than that!

whos winning here?

men? no. they are no more at fault than anyone else. i feel sorry for them. most of them REALLY believe they are the problem! i suppose the MRM is going to change that eventually.

women? no. they have no power to sort out their own problems. while they are based on blaming men, they remain. Its your life honey, not his. Stop letting him take it over. he doesnt want too..

the problem, is the human condition.

we all have insecurities, desires, needs and wants. Its nobodys fault, its how we are.

i hope the mens movement will take this into account.

whats missing for men??

what things might men ask for from the mens movement?

so far i havent seen too much thinking on men's part about where they want to be in 10 years time.

what is it, that has made them begin to form movements to change things?

what is it that they feel is missing from their lives?

well, i can only speculate but its what i like doing so here we go with a few ideas that i dreampt up last night...

i think men are missing out on parenting. i've got two young children of my own, and i work part-time. I have lots of time on my own with them, my partner also works part-time so we spend alot of our days together, with our children. Young children can turn a macho men into a loving caring father in no time at all.

maybe when a father looks at his child smile, when he realises that he has taught that child how to say daddy, that he has taught her that jumping up and down is fun! maybe he will also realise that people, that women, love him.

i think the modern man is far too detached from this. I dont know the answer, i suppose somebody has to work full time at some point? i dont know. But definately men need more time with children. You know what, im sick of going to the park and seeing only women. Men are great with kids, and not just them, but kids are missing out too.

so, longer paternity leave?? 2 years at least!! why not 3.

i think men are not allowed to show their sexuality in public. Much as i love a man in a suit, most male clothes, are practical, and not revealing. They represent security and not sexuality. I dont know how, but male fashion needs to exploit the male body more. I dont think any woman would have a problem with that!! again how and why, i dont know.. im not a fashion designer.

so, better male clothes

obviously, there are laws and things like that that are totally repressive of men. I dont know the ins and outs of those, and im sure lots of other guys know more than me about it. but i have to say that young women these days, are too aware of their privilidges over men in the eyes of the law. Its the same as the kids in the schools.

i've taugh in secondary schools, and the kids know far too much.. 'dont touch me', 'your not allowed to do this', etc. I think its destroying education and i would apply it further to the outside world too.

my sister goes to see the doctor because she's pregnant. She refuses to show her breasts to the doctor, and yet, when she goes to spain and is sunbathing she's got no problem showing them off to every tom, dick and harry. What kind of mess is that? its apalling the amount of respect young women have for good, decent male AND even female professionals these days.

it gets worse.. i had rosacea once, a mild skin problem that normally appears on the breasts.. i go to the doctor and as im about to take my top of to show him, he refuses! as their is no female nurse there, he wont look at them. He's scared of looking at me incase i cry abuse, rape or whatever shit feminism has invented to punish the poor guy.

so, without even looking at me, he prescribes me something for the problem.. who wins there? not me, because he's not treating me properly. not him, because he's in that awkward position that men (and teachers) find themselves in all the time these days.

Men have to stand up and say this. They have to point out the ridiculous contradictions with which the modern woman lives.

i want to know where men want to be. i want to know whats missing to make them so angry at ordinary women.

a fruit cakes experience of a male rights forum..

what is the experience of a fruit cake woman who goes into a male dominated forum? what are her opinions on the people that inhabit them??

lets look on the bad side, first, maybe that way by the time i've finished writting this, all the huffing and puffing might have calmed down a bit...

some of the people in these forums, are men that absolutely hate women. They dont understand us at all. You say hello, and they call you a feminist. You say hi, and you suddenly become a misandrist..

they are not interested in what you say. They dont even read it. Their interest is in proving you wrong, you dont even need an opinion.

they write essays of dull boring uniciteful lectures and assume that they have now made you into the stupid, foolish little girl that they see all women as.... WAKE UP, im sorry baby, i know you fancy 16 year old girls, but not all women are neurotic teenagers..

then there are those that have long since become lost in the clouds of pointless intellectualism..

According to one's insular (severely restrictive) ideological entrenched "vested" beneficial perspective?To question my righteous perspective merely reinforces my position.Retards can be curious? Wiping my arse? You're confused analogy doesn't resonate any practical reality, it merely reinforces my position.

can anyone understand this? does this person have the faintest idea what he is talking about? no, of course not.

and yet, nobody seems to notice, he's one of the guys, he must be clever, because nobody can understand what he says right? i've come across several of these in my time. They normally have hair thats not been washed in a year, and maggots in the sofa..

if anyone ever needed a woman, then these are those people!!!

on the flipside, you do find nice guys, geniune lovely young men, who have been messed up by feminism and its evils. but they are not the majority..

so, i dont have the faintest idea how men communicate with each other, i've tried my best and i always end up arguing with them. Maybe they should go to a feminist forum, to understand how i feel. These guys dont seem to argue with each other. So it must be me...

I suppose i should stop trying to bridge the gender gap really. I dont really know why i do it, i guess im a sociology graduate who has turned into a bored housewife and a part time language teacher who feels alone and bored alot of the time. Most of the interaction i get during the day is with 2 year olds, i suppose i have to vent out my feelings somehow..

i dont think most of them understand just how hard it is to go into a forum inhabited by men who, on the whole, hate women and survive more than a week. Im someone that is not easily intimidated, and i have a quick responce when i see people are out of order. So, im quite proud of myself really, i suppose im doing ok.

I get addicted to reading the responces and i feel upset and happy and guilty and angry... all these things that i guess i dont feel enough in the life i lead outside the internet. Maybe thats the common ground i share with these people.

i dont really know what else to do right now, im kinda running out of ideas to talk about. i tried talking about sex and i dont think that men are really interested in what i think about it. I thought men thought about sex all the time?? what on earth they are thinking about is something i dont really know.

you know what else they do? they sometimes gang up on you..

i suppose they feel angry because they cannot express their inner hatred of women in the outside world, so im an easy target. Outside of the internet we have laws that stop people doing what they like, but on the internet its not quite the same. Maybe if they realised that i get upset when they all gang up on me, and i feel bad when all i feel im doing is trying to communicate and they seem to love arguing with me for it. Maybe they wouldn't dare in real life, maybe its good that they can vent their anger at a wierdo woman who in their opinion doesnt really get it does she?????

you know, i think im getting closer to the reason why i've been involved in this kind of thing lately. I really believe that inside every man, is a scared little boy who doesnt know how to express himself anymore. Nobody sees that little boy that he is inside, but instead they see this big, powerful, man.

How the hell can he express his pain, his fear, his insecurity, when everyone else is looking to him for security and comfort.

i really do feel sorry for men when they are in this situation. but you know, when i try to talk to them about it, when i try to get inside their feelings and worries, they tell me that i am callous, self-centred and emtionally bankrupt. What can i do? maybe i should just leave them all to become rambos, and duck while they kill each other.. it would be a terrible shame...

the mens movement has missed lots of things... why are they not learning to express their vulnerability, why do they hide behind ridiculous intellectual language, and hatred of women?? what is stopping them from saying.. hell we are humans too, and we need looking after and we need people who care about us?? why are they not telling women that women dont have to be feminists, and hate the world...

the more they get into it, the further they seem to get from saving themselves. They hate marriage, they hate love i suppose. They hate the idea of having children and understanding that not everyone is out to get them..

this is what i make of it, im just one person, and you know what, i think they like me underneath all the nastiness they throw at me. you know why i think that?? because i tend to like them... (and because only a fruit cake could go into a forum where they all argue with you and call you names and still think that they like you!!!)

i enjoyed it so far, so whatever i say in here guys, i hope you dont take it too seriously and too much to heart. You know, inside every feminist woman, is a scared little girl who wants to find love too.

I have a secret feminist plot hidden under my bed!!

well, i survived about 32 posts on stand your ground, and they all turned on me. I guess this is starting happen on the new forum?! oh well, ¿asi es la vida, no?

what these guys keep telling me, and, i am listening to them

is that

i dont answer their questions, that
i dont back anything up with facts.

I really have tried my best to do what they ask, but im not so sure thats really what they want?

i cant back up arguments with facts, really, because i dont feel like im really making any arguments.

for example.
Fred X says that men get called up and die during wars.
i say, Fred, i dont see you on the front line (there is a war in iraq right?)

how am i supposed to back that up with facts? take a picture of fred at his PC to prove that he's not on the front line?

i think what ultimately they dont like about what i am doing, is that i am not really against them. Their view of women, in my opinion, at this point, is that we are all "femcunts" or "femhags" who live in a different world to them, basking in our privilidges, spewing out hatred of men, and blaming them for everything we dislike about our world.

i dont fit into that category, so i must have some hidden agenda, some secret feminist plot hidden in my rucksack or under my bed.. well, i've searched my soul deeply and i still havent found that plot yet.. maybe they are right, i dont know. Maybe i am a feminist, and i never realised it? but then, maybe they hate women, and they never realised it either..

i suppose we are all learning aren't we?

What they havent heard despite however many times i say it, is that i actually agree with them for the most part, and that I really think that things have gone to far. Men DO need to stand together and fight injust laws.

however, its still ok to have fun along the way isnt it? apparently not, for some of them.

My website is not about support for the mens movement, they are more than capable of doing that themselves. I suppose im commenting on them from an outside perpesctive, why? because i am fascinated by men. Ive always been a bit of a rebel without a cause, so, i suppose in this world of feminism, i HAD to be the one that tried to understand men! when all my female sisters hated them!

I also think if they understood women a bit better, then we might end up with a nicer world at the end of it. Im trying to understand men better, i fail miserably lots of the time, other times i am right, and they tell me i am wrong.

you know i dont think we are that difficult to understand? the problem is that feminism has MADE us difficult to understand. Nobody sees us as individuals anymore, not even ourselves. We are "Women" not, "a woman". God i hate that, but i do know that lots of women like it.

the key to understanding the opposite sex i think lies in understanding first of all, that we are all totally different from each other. We then have to understand that we are different from each and every member of our OWN sex. I dont think, the mens movement has grasped this yet.. its not surprising... feminism NEVER did..

still i can only try and when the next lot hate me, i'll find another bunch of them to poke at with my chocolate pogo stick.

whats so bad about pluto??

<--- Alpha-Centauri, closest star to the sun

let me apologize, not all men are from pluto. Someone said to me that to say men were from pluto is a feminist way of saying that they are all wierd, like, they are further away from earth and therefore less in touch with reality..

well.. you know, my page is called from the planet neptune, and pluto, is an escaped satelite of neptune isnt it? so, maybe we should get on well then? I love astronomy, its my favourite thing, whenever i feel bad, i look up at the sky and think, this is a planet, and im this tiny thing on the planet, and out there, is space, and we know nothing really about it.. It kinda makes me feel better. My dad taught me the names of all the bright stars in the sky. I quite like pluto, but its not my favourite planet, i'll admit that much.

i think people should get to know me before they make assumptions about my "feminist tendancies"

anyway, i was feeling a bit upset last night when i wrote the below article, because i dont think men understand just how intimidating they can be sometimes. They have a bigger physical presence, in reality, and i think in cyberspace too. Its part of being a man that you are big, and part of being a woman that they are bigger than you.

so where is this going? i have been involved in a forum lately, here is the link i you want to read it http://mathews.me.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=4961

i've come to the conclusion that lots of men dont really understand their feelings very well, they tend to intellectualise them, and objectify themselves. I dont really know why they do this, i suppose, if you lose an argument, you dont get hurt so much? if you argue as if you were someone else, then they cant get down into your most intimate feelings can they?

either that, or men are from alpha-centaurai, and really have no feelings, are empty-vessels that spew out dictatory lectures on what superior creatures they are. Please guys, let me know which one it is, im really trying here...

im starting to understand this movement a bit better.. what we have, is alot of nice men, who have been treated badly by women for whatever reason, they are pissed off. Rightly so. Im scared that they are going to do protect other men who arent quite so nice, at the expense of women who are. Guys, i do believe in what you are doing. Men are not allowed to sit on aeroplanes next to children anymore. This really is a world gone mad, and whenever i've talked to men while out with my children, they are really fun. Men that like children are pretty cool really, they are easy to relate too.

these men have been stuffed by aload of bitchy idiot women, and lots of similarly idiotic men, who here the world paedophile, and screw up any relationship normal men might have with children who are not their own.

just remember, guys, feminists want you to view things along the lines of gender. They want you to think that all women are the same. Dont fall for their propaganda. Lots of women are thick, and spew out feminist stuff, but they dont really believe in it. If you learn how to communicate with them, perhaps you could help your movement. But, of course, that would mean becoming, anecdotal, and expressing feelings.... scared are we?

men, you have along way to go...

men are from pluto

forget mars, men are from pluto.

it has just occured to me, that i really dont understand men AT ALL.

i make a joke and they reply with an essay saying why im wrong

i try and help them and they tell me im the enemy

i guess that there must be somewhere in their heads that clicks on when they are talking to men, and clicks off when they talk to women? i dont know.. please men, correct me if im wrong.

well, im not beaten im going to try more from now on. and if any men read this, it is NOT an attack on you, i just dont understand you very well, but at least im trying.

I think we love each other even if sometimes it is difficult to translate what we are expressing.

also, kinda changing subject a bit, there are several fallacies in the male rights movements that men should think about:

men are more logical.

i think thats not true, they are just more logical when it suits them.
in fact most "macho" activities actually are based on proving just how illogical you are
for example:

Supporting a football team to the death that never wins

Driving a car to fast to prove yourself
shooting 32 university students and killing yourself

men earned the right to vote

no, SOME men, 100's of years ago earned the right to vote. Men today did no more than any women did. They kinda forgot that while they took all the credit for what a group of unrelated men did 100 years ago.

i wont marry! im going to live alone!

how many times do they say this?
i dont believe that men can just turn of their emotions, maybe they would like us to think that. Men love women and women love men. I think the people that advocate this, advocate it because:

1) no woman in her right mind would EVER marry them (see gonzokid, SYG forum) and its better to be seen as not wanting to marry, than not BEING ABLE too..
2) they have been hurt somewhere by a woman, and they say they are not going to marry to try and hurt women, as a whole group
3) they are scared of marrying a woman that will then divorce them and steal everything. Well, women are scared of getting married too. You just have to make sure you dont end up with that type of woman! its not that difficult duh!

Men standing up for themselves?

Someone asked me to start a thread in an anti-misanry forum to talk about the mens movement. I nearly did but then i got really nervous and decided to write it in here instead.

what would i say to them?

the problem i have is that i dont know yet if i am an enemy or a friend of their movement. The part to which i am a friend, is that I really really want to see a world, in which men can take on feminine qualities. That being a male, is opened up to new things. I think that they have been denied this, and miss out because of it. I think that sometimes, there is a massive gap between what each individual man wants.

the part to which i am an enemy, is the men who want a return to a world in which men are dominant again. Macho man could return but this time he's going to kill all the women that get in his way, instead of showing a simpathetic ear like 50 years ago. Masculinity is closed down even further.

try driving in a tiny red peogeot 205, down a busy spanish motorway.

i get scared when i go past 90km/h. and you know what, in spain, where feminism hasnt really happend, and men ARE men... if you are on a motorway and there is only two lanes, and the overtaking lane is occupied and a big lorry comes up behind you?

These macho men will mow you and your children out of their way. They dont care about you, they really dont. I've never been so scared in my life, and it happens again, and again and again until you have driven the 25 km between Santander and Torrelavega.

I think its because they have never really seen feminism. If they hate their wife they beat her up. Spain has a real macho problem. I dont know, maybe they just want to prove to the world that they drive faster than you. Is this the male sense of logic they talk about? Not very logical really is it.

a little red roller skate!

Male logic, it seems, applies only when they choose to apply it. Something that men could learn.

Spain and Britain are too very different countries, but masculinity, can be as dangerous, and scary as what feminism has done.

So i think this: Masculine extremes and feminine extremes they can all go to hell as far as i am concerned.

so, am i a friend of a mens movement? absolutely not if it means that men become like rambo again. Some women find them attractive, i just find them thick. Men complain that the nice guy never gets the girl. Well, they never thought that macho man gets the rat girl did they?

many within the mens movement talk about not getting married, about rejecting western women. Well, that means they are rejecting me, and my daughters without giving us any chance. I suspect that alot of these guys are filled with hatred of women, maybe because they have not had much luck, or have been rejected at some point in their life. Men, let go of this, every woman is different, and some, are warm and caring. Dont draw lines along gender, that girl was a bitch. The next one doesnt have to be. Do you really believe we are all the same, as feminism has tried to convince you?

neither does rejection have to mean isolation. Isolation is what the radical feminists have. You know, some of them are so lost in their own self-righteousness, that they put up with being a lesbian, when they are really heterosexual. Thats probably why lesbo relationships are often quite violent. Imagine that, a whole life never having sex with someone that turns you on. You know what, radical lesbians can have their violent sexually frustrated utopia. I just hope that men dont make the same mistake. Men and women are good together.

i think that i want men to discover their inner femininity. Women discovered their inner man 50 years ago in britain. Now they are in a very good position. No women's life is perfect of course, but they can wear, act, and do masculine things, whenever they feel like it. Some choose not to, but then they have the choice. Men on the other hand, have only the old male role to fall back on, and it gets smaller and more restrained with each and every attack by feminism and its mangina friends.

i am scared that hatred of women is going to lead to the wrong men getting in charge of the mens movement. They will promote only super-macho values and the biggest losers? everybody. Gentle, emotional men, where do they fit into this macho utopia? do all women have to become prostituted rat girls?

i just dont understand where its going i suppose i should ask really shouldn't i?

what have i seen so far?

what have i seen so far in the male rights movement?

i´ve spent a few months reading various blogs in here, and i´ve taken part in two forums so far. The first one i found was called Askmen.com. I was surprised to read some comments in their that werent the normal male garbage that surrounds that type of thing (i.e. about blonde haired women, cars, and other boring things).

It seemed to me there were several men out there that were trying to start some sort of movement against feminism, and against the stupid idiot stereotype that men seem to have inhereted lately. It kinda gave me a new way of looking at things. I always found it strange that i could talk to men about things that affected their lives, i.e. rape, children, women... and they normally seemed immensely detached. I just supposed that men were not capable of personal thoughts. I think thats what alot of women think, they dont really get why men refuse to take control of their lives. but since i went in there i realised a few things. I liked reading some comments, one or two posters actually made me smile when i read their posts, so i got deeper and deeper into it.

i learnt what a blog was and then started reading the blogs of the members i had found, fieldmarshall watkins, christian j and one or two others. I liked what these guys were saying so i continued to read, and from there, i have found other blogs and im now kinda addicted to reading them, i cant wait to read the next post they write. It lead me to the website standyourground.com, which i entered assuming it would be something similar, but something i realised quickly there -

my nickname was decidly female (Fruit_Cake) and suddenly everyone hated me it didnt really matter what i said. LC_Vega is a pretty androgenous name, which is why i use it normally. It really knocked me back and i spent a week or two thinking, oh my god what have i got myself into, im selling my soul here. These guys HATE women. It scared the hell out of me. Since then i´ve decided, that perhaps i shouldn´t go around telling men how to lead their own movement. Now i think my role will just to be encourage, if indeed i have any role at all. Im still working that part out. (i have to do something to fill in the endless empty vacuum of life)

I think one thing that guys involved in this movement should consider, is what they want, and where they are going too? I think there are quite a few guys involved in this who have had bad experiences with women, and have confused that with a male rights movement.

Another thing is, that scares me most of all, is that OK, at the moment at least in the english speaking western world, Feminism is dominant. What kind of world would it be if it were dominanted by macho men? The guys in this movement have to be VERY VERY careful what they create. It seems alot of the guys i read would hate a world of masculine extremes, perhaps as much as they hate the feminist one?

as a female, it is very difficult to contribute to a male movement. Lots of them try, they mostly fail. I dont think they get it really. They dont understand that its difficult for a man to trust a woman in this movement. For my part, i think the best and maybe, only, thing i can offer to this movement is to ask the question to all men involved -

WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THIS MOVEMENT and WHERE DO YOU THINK IT IS GOING TO??

i ask that question because im not 100% sure that all of the guys out there have really thought about this one.

where do i stand?

where do i stand, what are my own motivations and goals and my reasons for supporting a men´s rights movement?

i think every woman, and probably, most men, should outline their directions before starting to take part in the male rights movements battle against the world they find themselves in.

as a woman, one reason i could give, is that if i were to have male children (something that has not happend to me so far) it would not be a fit world for them to live in. Decent women love their children so much that they are willing to fight against what is in their own interest. As a woman i would support a mens movement that restricted my own life in favour of my sons. Furthermore, as a parent of two female children, the over-reaction that could come about once feminism has been exposed is also scary. The one thing feminism never had was physical power. Im scared a male movement may encompass a movement of hatred against women, and make their lives hell. My children are not to blame for feminism, just as men born 30 years ago were not to blame for the things feminists blamed them for.

second, i think that the men at the forefront, and i mean AT THE FOREFRONT of this movement (not stagnating morons like those in Stand your ground), are really the most impressive things this world has. It must take a massive step to realise that all the feminist crap you are told is wrong, and an even bigger one to stand up against it. If evolution is right, then surely a woman would fall in love with a man that was COMPLETELY in touch with reality? Only a man who understands his surroundings would be a perfect partner to be with? I think the guys at the forefront of this movement are really self aware, and intouch with reality. Its so sexy.

to be completely in touch with reality from my point of view, you cannot be a gun slinging macho man, or a pink handbag wearing mangina. Its somewhere in the middle. I guess, ultimately, i quite desire this type of guy, so there is the reason. Its a good one isnt it?

Where do i think the mens movement should go?

i´ve been called lots of names over the last few months, (feminist and troll, amongst them, all in stand your ground) if you want to see what i said look up the name fruit_cake on the website stand your ground.

im not saying i am right, i never did, but i think that the mens movement has to in some way mimic what feminism did for women. It opened up their world, they moved into areas that were not seen as womenly. Today women can practically do anything they want. I dont think that that is wrong. What i think men deserve is something similar, along side a massive readjustment in other rights.

What im saying is for me that certainly a part of the male rights movement should be about men taking on femininity within themselves, i.e. being able to wear what they want and act how they want without fear of being called gay or ostracised.

they deserve equal rights in every way. 6 months maternity leave for women? ok, so 6 months for men too.

Equality for all. If women want equal pay at wimbledon, then, they have to beat the men. Otherwise they can get paid less, because frankly, they are less able. We dont have fat peoples wimbledon do we.

Otherwise, there are obviously other areas that men have been pushed into a corner and they need to escape. Divorce settlements, parental rights, working rights, sexual discrimination.. and YES, rape.

Rape has to be made into the crime it actually is. Unwanted intercourse. Its in the same category as punching someone in the face. Its not very nice, but no more than that. I think the mens movement has to attack the sensasionalisation of rape, made by feminists for political goals.

I´ve argued with other people in this movement, both men and women, who to me, appear to be arguing for some sort of cowboy, super macho world. Do men REALLY want to be pushed further into the corner of machoness? Are you really that tough guys? i dont know, but i dont think you are.

from what i have seen, there is a split within this movement.

this is the question i would like to know the answer to guys who read this. What do you want? do you want to promote cowboy masculininty, survival of the fittest, im a tough superman who does not get hurt by anyone, or, like i hope is correct, do you want to embrace what has been stolen from you - your right to enjoy femininity AS WELL as masculinity. Just as many women now do, accept the other way round.

i´ve been called a feminist before, because i think men should embrace femininity (note feminINITY, not feminiSM). I think the way that men can win this war for the good of all, is too take over femininity, just as feminists have taken over masculinity.

thats where i stand, it might change over time, but its important that people know where you are coming from.

Stand your ground.com - watch out, these people are not who they say they are.

Stand your ground.com is supposedly a male rights movement website.

the reality is that it is run by a gang of 4 or 5 people, who as it happens, i dont think are particularly well thought-out, that see themselves as the leaders of this movement. They dont want to budge out of your way. Their opinions are not at the forefront of where this movement should be. They are a massive danger to this movement and they need to be outed for what they are before they take more control of it.

i shall mention their names here, so that other people be aware of them.

Gonzokid - this person is a gun slinging cowboy. he wants men to hate the world just like he does. Dont fall for his macho bravadery. Watchout guys, he wants to drag you all down to his level. He has a personal agenda, and does not care about you.

Biscuit Queen - side kick for gonzokid. A Woman fighting for mens rights? be suspiscous, VERY suspicious. I will outline all my own reasons for my support of the mens movement as soon as i can so men can judge me friend or foe. Biscuit queen sees herself as just that, the queen. She is a lady macbeth that is pulling all the strings. Watch out for her lads.

Dr E. this is the moderator - be careful because he is not impartial, he will support his friends, (see above members) and pretend to be impartial. Bad moderator, bad website..

as soon as i get more time i will outline my own reasons for supporting this movement, as a woman.